Posts by Witness My Fury

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Grasping "new" points when reading the Bible?

by GOrwell in

i'm always surprised when reading the bible of things that i've missed or never saw in that manner before.

how often does this happen to you?.

for instance, i've probably read the book of john about 8-10 times.

Witness My Fury

Exchanging one cult for another is no better than staying in the 1st one, you may change the view but the prison bars remain to spoil it.

I like this quote by Robert Heinlein: "Once you can honestly say, 'I don't know,' ....then it becomes possible to get at the truth."

Back on topic, I've read the bible more these last couple of years now that I am (re)searching and can honestly say that I have now lost my faith(mainly since reading the OT with an open mind). I read the gospels about 5 times, the NT about 3 times and am now halfway thru the OT.

Gospels = a better appreciation for Jesus, but still could not square the GOD of the OT with what he offered.

NT = total basterdisation of Christianity from the simplicity of Christ into a cult of control. (but very tame compared to the JW world if compared to it)

OT = Myth, fantasy, wishful thinking, and the national centric war epics of Israel, which would be no different if we read them from the standpoint of the nations around them except the names of the gods would be different, but the wars, feats and miracles would likely be similar.

I feel cheated.

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The Tetragrammaton...And The Inserted Vowels

by titch in

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friends

for any and all persons who may have been associated with jehovah's witnesses in the past (or currently), you have probably read, or heard information about the origin of the name "jehovah.

" as explained by witnesses, and even other religious groups, the name jehovah is merely the anglicized (or, english-language) version of the so-called "divine name.

" the thinking is that in the original hebrew language, the "divine name" was originally represented by these four english consonants: jhvh; some persons think that it might have been yhvh.

Witness My Fury

Just n from bethel, you Sir are a star!! .... Whenever I see your stumpy 3 eyed avatar on a post i just know it will speak my mind and with eloquence and wit to boot. Thankyou and long may you continue in your unrelenting battle against the pityless nonsense of the dark side!

Peace to you brother (lol) ...and more power to your elbow.

Cheers

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Generation Teaching - Everyone is speechless?

by Red Piller in

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friends

maybe the effect of this change is bigger than realized?

in 1995, it was discussed (positively) by everybody, during the week we studied the wt.

one elder stepped down and was looked down upon.

Witness My Fury

Eggnog, I have previously actually liked some of what you have said as it made me think a bit ...(not in this thread but in some other one), ...BUT, yes here comes the but....

I can see quite clearly from this one though that you are under heavy mind control and can barely think for yourself. The repeating of the WT stance on private matters like oral and anal sex reveals this to be true. It looks like you have googled all the STDs that could possibly be accociated with these sexual practices and listed them here for our "benefit".

However even you must realise that the WTBTS has overstepped the mark by sticking its nose into what is clearly the private matters between marriage mates. If we were to apply the "inference" model used here to all other aspects of a JW's Christian Living (tm) then we would need to eliminate almost the entire marriage customs used for the wedding itself. Inference is a great tool for control purposes.

I encourage you to read the passage at proverbs 5: 15-19 again and ask and answer YOURSELF exactly HOW that squares with the WTBTS view. Please dont fall into the trap of turning this back on me and call me a pervert. I am still a virgin FFS, so DONT even go there.

Cheers

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Photo of Judge Rutherfod at desk with several bottles on it!

by VM44 in

i have never seen this photo before.. does anyone know the original source for it?.

i found the photo on this italian webpage:.

http://www.gris-imola.it/sette_cristiane/itdginaffidabili.php.

Witness My Fury

Bogus,... looks to me like either the whole person has been inserted and then Rutherfords face stuck on it, or else the face, hands and book inserted onto an existing body in the photo. If you google c.t.russell and choose pictures you will see another version of it which looks less contrasted, but still looks to have his his ear and a slice of head missing, so still been photoshopped I'd say.

Defo bogus though... which = Apostates 0: JW's 1. Stupid, pointless and ultimately self defeating.

Cheers,

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Sayings of Everlasting Life heard "Nowhere Else" but in JW Organization?

by InterestedOne in

i just finished reading the 9/15/2010 wt study edition article for nov 8-14, and the last few sentences of paragraph 7 on page 18 jumped out at me.

referring to the "one association" which i assume means the jw organization, the author says "... where else can we turn?

nowhere else can we hear the sayings of everlasting life.

Witness My Fury

Keep your wits about your InterestedOne! Your gut feeling and intuition have done you a great service,... do NOT IGNORE them! Most here wish we had SEEN it before it was too late. Ask questions, prod and probe and do your OWN research as well. If it's the TRUTH, then there's nothing to hide right?

Welcome.

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Here in the UK - a £3 fee charged for going to JW assembly hall

by James_Slash in

i cannot speak for other countries, but it has become evident of late that more and more talks are being done by presiding overseers at kh's (especially in the west midlands) and they are making it quite clear that they are expecting 3 from every publisher (per day) who visit the dudley assembly hall, west midlands to contribute towards the upkeep of it.. the quote from the po's who have done this talk have said that "it is expected that each publisher will put 3 into the box on each day".. what do you think of that then?

as the world hits an economic breakdown the jw's seem to maximising their income from struggling families.. dudley assembly hall holds about 600-700 people.

i'm sure people are capable of doing the maths.. so much for voluntary contributions !!

Witness My Fury

Forgot to say Bristol holds 1100 I think and is used all but 4 weekends a year, so do the maths on that!

Cheers

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Here in the UK - a £3 fee charged for going to JW assembly hall

by James_Slash in

i cannot speak for other countries, but it has become evident of late that more and more talks are being done by presiding overseers at kh's (especially in the west midlands) and they are making it quite clear that they are expecting 3 from every publisher (per day) who visit the dudley assembly hall, west midlands to contribute towards the upkeep of it.. the quote from the po's who have done this talk have said that "it is expected that each publisher will put 3 into the box on each day".. what do you think of that then?

as the world hits an economic breakdown the jw's seem to maximising their income from struggling families.. dudley assembly hall holds about 600-700 people.

i'm sure people are capable of doing the maths.. so much for voluntary contributions !!

Witness My Fury

Just wondered if the Dudley hall is bought and paid for by now as it was one of the 1st in UK I think (?)

The Bristol assembly hall is bought and paid for and has £750,000 in the bank, but they kindly decided to give £600,000+ of that to the Uk Bethel interest free, but we all know they will never ask for it back, so lets just call it a GIFT shall we?!

We are also STILL paying the full wack that we have done all thru the years, so now they are clear and running at full profit. I dont like it one bit. They should cut the required contribution of £2.50 per publisher down to something that covers costs + 10% only likely about £1 per publisher if not less in my opinion, it should not be for profit, nor should it be to GIVE that money to Bethel with no say in what it gets used for.

Cash Cows is what they are.

Cheers

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Thanks and Goodbye

by brotherdan in

jw
friends

i really do appreciate all the help you guys have given me in this process.

but it's time for me to leave.

it was time for me to leave the wt (at least in my mind) when it became damaging to me.

Witness My Fury

OK then I needed to say it, ...is that better now?

Cheers

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Are you suspicious of LURKERS?

by VampireDCLXV in

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friends

we all know they're here but we don't really know who they are.. they are people who sign up here and then never comment (or rarely ever do).. doesn't that make any of you regulars here at the very least a tiny bit suspicious?.

why would a person sign up to a forum like this and then never say a damn thing?

it seems to me that there is a primary reason why some folks sign up and then never comment on anything: to spy.

Witness My Fury

I was a lurker whilst still a believer (but having doubts / issues) way back when this site was JWD. I lurked for a year or two off and on before striking up the COURAGE to sign up (different account that I dont have the email address for anymore so cant access it). I posted only a few times then to ask about specific things like assembly programs etc. Then I didnt come here for a bit as I went back into trying to be a good JW again.

Then I lurked some more and finally once I was convinced from my research it was total bunk decided to sign up again (I then had to email admin to get this account activated) and here i am, still for the most part lurking.

Not all people are alike clearly, some are bold and brash and full of themselves and cant wait to spout off about any and every subject, others are more reserved or even timid and dont have alot to say generally, some are a bit of both or have strong opinions only on very specific areas, none is any less worthy than the next.

Personally i'd prefer it if posters limited themselves to thoughful specific posts rather than choke up this NON SEARCHABLE board with meaningless useless tat, that then masks the uselful information from those who may otherwise benefit from it. So in a way, the less you say the better really, then the forum would have a far higher percentage of useful content. But that is just wishful thinking on my part.

So continue as you are friends, feel free to vent and spout all you like...

Cheers

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Thanks and Goodbye

by brotherdan in

jw
friends

i really do appreciate all the help you guys have given me in this process.

but it's time for me to leave.

it was time for me to leave the wt (at least in my mind) when it became damaging to me.

Witness My Fury

Dan there is sometimes a high price to be paid for having too much of an opinion about everything. Look at your post count and post rate compared to mine FFS, what does that tell you? Too much time and too much opinion = too much mental effort you have invested in this site, hence your emotional investment is high so as a result you take it very personally. Little wonder the shit has gotten to you.

Personally sometimes I HATE this board. I come here for the information mostly and the experiences. Otherwise it can be choked up with nasty vindictive arguments and troll feeding that i find irritating and downright depressing. Then there's the Fundie camp of Uber Christians that also turn my stomach, who think they are somehow fighting for God / Christ, but in actual fact are making themselves into laughing stocks and doing great discredit to the ones they hope to somehow "protect". That's MY perspective only, not yours clearly.

Move on and get a life, or else learn to know your limits on this board. Harsh maybe, but it needs to be said.

Cheers